Content warning: This episode recounts a stabbing incident. A recent criminal incident leads to chatter about true crime shows on Netflix. Our hosts also discuss LinkedIn connections and whether your close friends would be able to steal your identity. It’s not that dark, we promise...
Content warning: This episode recounts a stabbing incident.
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A recent criminal incident leads to chatter about true crime shows on Netflix. Our hosts also discuss LinkedIn connections and whether your close friends would be able to steal your identity. It’s not that dark, we promise...
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Geoff 0:00
Hi. And welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. I'm your co host, Jeff. And as always, I'm with my co host Georgie. How's it going?
Georgie 0:18
It's going, you know, the weather has been weird. I know, this is a very easy thing to talk about. But I realised that it's been hot, like 25 degrees, I can wear shorts type of thing. And then it just tanks to go to wear a jumper. And it feels like we haven't had a transitionary season. Where like, I remember last year around this time, I was wearing like a denim jacket to stay cool. And and now it's like, it's suddenly it's like no sleeves or jumper the next day.
Geoff 0:56
And not even the next day. It's like mid day, it will change season. So basically no changes. Changes season during the day. But yeah, it is it is kind of wild. I don't believe in seasons anymore. Yeah. I don't think I kept track of seasons ever. So when my partner asked me, Hey, I didn't even know how the conversation started. But she's like, I do you know what season it is. I'm like, does it matter? Like, yeah, it's
Georgie 1:34
funny that people kind of put a lot of weight on it. Like we're trying to organise our organise our company, like off site, Dev camp, and someone pointed out, it's going to be in winter. And I'm like, so. We're like, What do you mean, and I realise it's like, okay, so if we're doing a team activity, we want to make sure like, it's not one that is inappropriate, like going for a swim.
Geoff 2:03
Yeah, I mean, to me, it's sort of like, non non issue, it's called, then you just wear things that make you warm. And if it's warm, then you just wear less things. But yeah, I never had never thought about keeping track of like, the seasons. It doesn't affect me day to day. I mean, like, of course, you probably need to know if you want to Pacific Daylight Savings. I also don't know when that starts or begins because my clocks are all like automatic. And my parents who are in WA by the way, Perth, not Washington observe does. Yeah, don't observe daylight savings. But they tell me when when daylight saving starts in it. It's
Georgie 2:54
I think it's so weird that people have a I think people who are not in my people who are not using to care quite a lot about what happens around your data, like with the with news and stuff. Something happens me me. And my parents, like oh my God, be safe or whatever.
Geoff 3:16
Yeah. And I was like, Yeah, I mean, nowadays, I am a little bit more aware because my partner, like keeps track of these things. And, and, but yeah, my parents were if the, the my parents over in Perth would also tell me like, oh, thankfully, you don't shop at Bondi or something like that. Oh my
Georgie 3:44
god, that was terrible. I actually know someone who was like, they're like, in the shopping centre, when
Geoff 3:51
there was 1000s of people get contacted. I think this
Georgie 3:55
this went a bit Global International. There was a stabbing. Yeah. In the eastern suburbs of Sydney.
Geoff 4:04
It was one of them. One of the most more popular shopping centres because it's near the most popular leash is Bondi Beach. Yeah, and this man was Americans might notice blood Bondi
Georgie 4:17
Beach. Yeah, it was I think it was because it wasn't targeted that it was quite scary. I like this person allegedly. Stabbed. And some fatalities, step people that he didn't even like know, he just walked in. Yeah, yeah, he's just started debin Yeah, and I know a few people who live around the area. I know someone who Yeah, she said she was there. When it happened in one of the stores in the Kmart. And staff asked everyone to sort of move quick get out. They shot the roller doors and exited I think through underground and she had no idea what was going on until she left and like went home and then saw the news. And then I know someone else who was just like nearby. But I think it's like shaken people because it just could have been anybody. Anybody? Anybody you knew? Yeah.
Geoff 5:15
Yeah. The Will you when the lid cafe was going on? Oh yeah, that was like the for everybody who doesn't know like the last serious
Georgie 5:27
Carson. Yeah, yeah, gone. Yeah,
Geoff 5:30
person went into a little cafe proclaimed he had bombs all over Sydney and then and basically held the lid Cafe hostage lid is chocolate brand. Yeah, people outside of Australia. Yeah. So we have a cafe and it was in the middle of the city. And he basically held the cafe hostage and claimed that, you know, there was bombs all over Sydney, so they couldn't really take him. How
Georgie 6:01
long was that? Was that like, I think it was like 48 hours or something or?
Geoff 6:05
Yeah, I don't know.
Georgie 6:07
I think anyway. Yeah, I think I might have. I might have been still living in Western Sydney. Sorry. I think I was close. And I can't remember. Yeah, I can't remember where it's like, I mean, without Daxing myself. Bondi is a lot closer to me.
Geoff 6:24
Yeah, yeah. Anyways, so
Georgie 6:28
I have been like, I've been to the shopping centre. I don't go that. I don't go that often. But yeah, I
Geoff 6:35
used to live in like Paddington. So yeah, you were close as well. I went there. Like that was a primary shopping centre. So it's, it's familiar to me.
Georgie 6:49
Do you remember the one Parramatta where a man was stabbed?
Geoff 6:54
No, I'd never heard of that. He was
Georgie 6:56
I think it's because it was targeted. It was less like get one of my family members. I don't think they were there. But they do work in that shopping centre. And they had colleagues who hadn't like seen what happened exactly, but they could see that something was going on. They were quite close. Yeah, man. attacked another man with a knife. And it's quite a burden. Yeah. And I think there was also a suicide attempt in that same shopping centre with someone jumped from like this. It's a multi level like, I think five levels of shopping. Like someone had jumped from the fifth floor. Just over the just over the railing. Yeah. We should put a content warning on this episode.
Geoff 7:48
Yeah, it's just these icon. It was like a bit late.
Georgie 7:52
Well, we could put it in the description.
Geoff 7:55
Yeah. But yeah, I think I think the scenario, scarier ones, like, when you don't know the motive. Yeah.
Georgie 8:06
And this guy in the Bondi one was was shot by a police officer, and and died, so we will never really know. And if you look online, there's a lot of speculation on people on Reddit saying it seemed like he might have had troubles with women and attacked mostly women. Yeah.
Geoff 8:28
Yeah. And the, like, the whole broad spectrum, he had mental illness, and then therefore, you know, yeah, like, snapped. But, I mean, anyone who works with mentally ill people would say, that's a very difficult thing to surmise. Because, yeah, I'm no expert, but the the general sentiment is that no one kind of snaps that way. And there's different types of like, stages before that happens. Maybe, but the we, I mean, I just watched the beginning part, but I think there's a Netflix documentary about Jennifer finding Jennifer the sounds vaguely familiar. The one that had the had her parents just killed Jennifer something anyways
Georgie 9:33
don't know that backs Yeah, what
Geoff 9:34
Jennifer did?
Georgie 9:35
Oh, I don't I don't think I've heard of this one.
Geoff 9:37
So, basically, spoiler alert. There's an in the words of community there's no spoiler in life. I don't know. Anyways, so essentially the was a break in In a suburban home, where was this in Canada, in Canada, I think and the mother of those, those parents and their 24 year old daughter in the in the house at the time, at the time. And basically, the gist of it is that the mother got was was killed and the father was fatally wound, but wounded but survived.
Georgie 10:36
If it's fatally wounded, doesn't that mean you die?
Geoff 10:40
Seriously? Oh, no. Seriously, grievously wounded. But the the daughter who called it in was supposed to the tied up. Like REMAC remained incapacitated whilst all this happened downstairs. Okay. And she her story was essentially three three black men came into the house. And when questioned, did she hear like how they came into the past? She's like, No. Anyways, three black men. So she saw them one allegedly saw this Jamaica. Yeah, allegedly sold them. One is Jamaican.
Georgie 11:21
to African Americans what she said like this is her recount of what she saw. This is her
Geoff 11:25
account. Yeah. And she doesn't know how they got in the house. But but she they shot her mom. And yeah, basically, like wounded her dad severely wounded her dad, and then taught like, whilst this was happening, she was tied up in a different room or something like that. Who tied her up? Yeah, one of the one of the guys tied her up. So the key point here, I guess is that you probably picked up on is like, how would someone call in this in this break it when their title? Yeah. So that's like one of the
Georgie 12:06
but she was the one who called up and said
Geoff 12:11
economists long story short and spoiler alert, she she basically called a hit on her mom. And, but she was very long winded sequence of events that happened. She had like a boyfriend. And basically, he they he broke it off with her because, like the parents disapproved. Yeah. Wait, whose parent her parents, her parents? And they they had been basically dating for seven years? At the time? Yeah. Yeah, up until two years prior to this incident. And apparently, they were both being harassed with, like, unknown caller. Like, several times a day, someone would call that numbers and then like, say nothing, and then put down. Okay, yeah. Both of them. And both of them would receive texts that were like, threatening, I don't know, I don't I don't remember what the text content was. But they would receive texts and spam texts, essentially. And then up until two weeks prior to the incident. The ex boyfriend got like a text saying, bang, bang, bang. Okay. And then, like, the, and then the the parents of Jennifer was, were murdered. Oh, what wonderful was murdered? And yeah, so yeah. So she maintained that she was, you know, tied off, and she didn't see anything and only heard things and basically, only sold them for a brief amount of time. And then the boyfriend was like, Well, I wasn't with her at the time because
Georgie 14:05
they've broken up.
Geoff 14:07
Yeah. And he's, he had been indicted for drug related charges. Yeah.
Georgie 14:14
So he had like an alibi. He just wasn't like, they're like, yeah,
Geoff 14:19
he was home. And he was like, This can't be drug related. Like no one's going to shoot anyone over marijuana. Like, like one gramme of marijuana. And he had left that, like once he was put into jail. He came out, he was like, he didn't touch this stuff. He didn't go anywhere near it, because he got in trouble for it. So this is all like, over like, eight to 10 years ago for him anyways, yeah. So there was a lot of like, okay, so why would the family get targeted? And, and that was like, kind of like, the core of the investigation was finding out why because unless you find out the motive of would have a like, a heinous crime like this is almost like anyone can be targeted. And that's probably the scariest part what? Like to me when you actually know what their motive is, then you can exclude yourself that motive. Yeah, you can say I hadn't dealt drugs or I haven't, like seriously angered someone in my life or rather whatever reason that someone do something like that. So yeah,
Georgie 15:30
so it was she did it. She hired people
Geoff 15:33
she hired. Yeah. Because apparently she had like, a
Georgie 15:38
restrictive mom. So it was meant to be just her mom.
Geoff 15:42
Yeah, I mean, she didn't. Apparently he didn't expect her father to survive. I'm just reading my partner's texts because I didn't. I didn't watch the word you
Georgie 15:51
watch it like, Are you into this? Cuz I find like, yeah, true crime and stuff. Really fascinating to read about. It is kind of
Geoff 16:04
scary. He will bow. Yeah, I can't remember when was the last time I actually watched a true crime thing. So but, I mean, this is weird, also, because she's still I mean, she confessed everything. Because they had a pulley. Police actually brought in someone that said, Oh, we have every we can track you by satellite. Or we can. We can access all your text messages. So there's no point in like lying to us. We know she just turned out is up. So she owned up because they lied. They tricked her into because
Georgie 16:53
did they suspect that she was a suspect? Well, they
Geoff 16:57
have. Yeah, I guess so. Because I didn't want Yeah, I can't tell you how they suspected her. But there's there's very many points at the like, no reason to target the family. They were middle class. They were hard workers. They went to Job nine to five, maybe eight. And then they came home and then like they wouldn't like.
Georgie 17:22
And then Jennifer's story was like, oh, like when she called up the emergency service. It didn't line up.
Geoff 17:30
Yeah. And then. So they they couldn't find a motive. Except for pull. Her mom was restrictive. And then that led to her boyfriend breaking up with her. And that's like the only thing I guess that was making sense. Any case, they brought some specialist in and then they like made up made up this made up a story about technology and something like that. And she just like fully confessed. Like I mean, to me if I was confronted with that, like knowledge, and because I guess I'm kind of tech savvy, like, yeah, right. You found on my texts, then? Like, I don't need to say anything. You can just, you can just basically arrest me now. Yeah. And then like, why do you need me to confess? Because you have, like substantial evidence against me. I don't need to tell you anything. So. So yeah, it's it's really easy. I guess to just claim technology can do anything. And then like,
Georgie 18:35
do you do find it weird when? How do I word this, but being someone who works in tech and understanding stuff about tech, more than your average person? Do you ever sometimes read or watch things and pick up on something that's incorrect? Or it's sort of like those there’s shows that feature a hacker. And what they're doing is on the screen is just a bunch of dudes. Yeah, yeah. It's like, do you like had like, as a person working in tech? How do you how do you feel about those things? I always feel weird.
Geoff 19:19
Yeah, so So one, in one instance in a movie that I remember, like, I think you've talked about this dragged a window. Yes. Do you confuse
Georgie 19:32
it? That was like, a boss that yeah, like it's impossible. But if it was, like a thing, it could have been quite cool, right?
Geoff 19:39
It's quite cool. Like, well, it's movie magic. Yeah, I think I think it's like, really, it's weird because it forces us to break out of like the like suspension of belief. Because generally when you go into something you like to suspend your belief For a little bit, and you just go with the narrative and you tell you go along with the story, but as soon as they reach a technical detail, I think that's when it like breaks for me. Yeah. And I would just focus I typically, yeah, like, that's not technically how it works. So I can't I can't believe the rest of it. I don't think it necessarily ruins the movie for me, but I will ignore it. You can't ignore it. Yeah. Is that Is that what it's like? For you?
Georgie 20:32
Kind of like, I think I was thinking more of like a book that I read recently where the person was talking about apps that they recommend. And they were saying that these apps and using the cloud and Google, like Google, the being in the Google ecosystem, was helpful for their productivity, but the way that they wrote it, like, I'm not sure, I think the person might have a, at least a little bit of a technical background or have have has worked in Tech Tech. But just the way that they were talking about Google and the cloud being great. Completely ignoring its like, downsides, not like, acknowledging them at all. I, I'm just like, man, people don't know anything. Like, you know, there's people who just don't know everything. And so they go, Oh, my God, this is like, amazing. And I'm 100% reliant on this, like, technology or service or whatever. And you as a person working in Turkey, like not that Dodgers. Fuck, that's, that's kind of what I was thinking about.
Geoff 21:35
I think, I think the landscape of gaming is really hitting that, hitting that problem, where usually you go into a store, and you can buy a game, and then you can keep playing the game forever. Yeah. But, but nowadays, the game is you go into a store, you buy the game, and then you have to like download something or create an account. And this is probably like Netflix, and other services, where you pay for a subscription, you get access to a bunch of things. And that's helpful. And Spotify is the same, but it's kind of a different thing. But at the same time, you kind of lose ownership. And that's probably a detail that people don't think of, because of how convenient everything is, is that, hey, they can actually take away, and people will recognise that, oh, Netflix doesn't have this show anymore. What do I do? And then you just go sign up to the other service that has the show. But I take your money, it's, yeah, it's kind of like a is hard like, oh, well, I'll just go to the service that has the show, or oh, well, I just won't watch the show. But like, you don't make that they maybe not making that connection. Yeah. Hey, you've actually paid for something. And you can't, you can no longer access it. Despite having Yeah,
Georgie 22:59
because because they just like a plethora of other stuff that they can access. So that doesn't they? That's probably why it doesn't occur to them.
Geoff 23:08
Yeah. So when you when you mix cloud in there, that this is essentially the life we're living. We're not owning anything
Georgie 23:15
anymore. Your photos are in the cloud. Yeah. And
Geoff 23:19
like a single point of failure type thing. So like, well, because your photos are in the cloud, and Google's scanning your photos, like they could do anything with that data.
Georgie 23:27
Yeah. And that's like, that's what I mean by it. Yeah. That's the guy in this who wrote this book. Not I think he probably knows, but he was he was sort of skimming past that, that thing, because it wasn't important to the book. Another thing that bugs me in the same book was, he was talking about password managers. And I'm probably just being really mean here. But let me like, I mean, you're anti Tech Tech. Yes. But I do use the password manager, I use the one in the, in the iPhone. Like I said, I use Apple's version, because it syncs every or whatever, there's different one. Like, I think the one that this author was recommending was one password, which is common. I think a lot of people use it. Yeah. And just the way that he wrote about it was always like, I don't think I was the target audience saralee I think it was for people who have no idea what a password manager is. And they're still the person who writes down their passwords and whatnot and tries to remember them all. But it's sometimes I just find that funny the way that I don't want to call it a divide. But the difference in knowledge between people who don't know that much about tech and people who know a lot and then seeing that in the world that we live in now that has just so much technology.
Geoff 24:50
Yeah, I think it's the Yeah, like you said it's the difference between going going in with your eyes open and, and like fully comprehending the car have yet to doing stuff. Yeah, because I just, I have a password manager. And I won't like to type everything. But essentially, there's caveats to password managers, and caveats to how much you put into the password manager. And that I do that because I can I'm like, assuming the risk, because I know the risks, but they're there. There's like, tonnes of marketing that put into this. They just put everything, and it'll be okay. But then everyone just like, is heavily reliant on the thing? Yeah, it's like the Google thing, right? Is is just like, you just put everything into Google, and it'll be okay. But you don't think it's inherent risk? Yeah. And, and, I mean, I used to do it with knowing the risk. And then I just decided the risk was too great for me and then pulled everything. Yeah. So that's kind of like, the decision making process is different for us where we're like, wow, that's a risk and I'm willing to take the risk. Whereas like, people don't know the risk. And they're taking the risk. And they don't know when to stop kind of thing. Yeah, so yeah. When when the like the data leaks come out with Optus. Oh, my God, are
Georgie 26:21
still with Optus sheds a tear.
Geoff 26:24
Yeah. Optus has had massive leaks, like at least three times that we know of. And outage people like to use still like without this. But you know, the risk of being adopters and you happy with that?
Georgie 26:40
Happy? I'm just indifferent.
Geoff 26:44
Yeah, I mean, that's also the case, right? Yeah.
Georgie 26:48
The other one, I thought, Oh, this birthday thing. You know, like, places, companies asking for your birthday. So they can give you a gift. And it's like, okay, but if there's a there's, if there's a data leak, and my birthday goes with my name and stuff. There's a potential for identity theft. I didn't think about this. Like, I think the first time I came across this might have been in 2009, when I had a lecture at uni, who said, I think she must have been in her like late 40s, or something like that. And she said, I hate when people wish me a happy birthday on Facebook. Because then people will know what my birthday is. And I've got my full name on there. And that's all people need to steal your identity. I didn't think much of it. But then it made me more like it made me a little bit more concerned from there. And then I think it's even greater of a concern now because like back then you had a choice, I think you had a choice as to whether your birthday was public or not. And if you had some social media or like your own website, you could choose if you wanted your birthday there or not. Whereas now it's like, companies want your birthday to be able to sign up. Whenever I make an account. I'm like, Why do you make this a required thing? Like, I don't want to fucking Oh, maybe I do. But like, just drop a fake one in there. Even though even the alcohol sides put in your year of birth? I just chuck in like, like something I use before? Oh,
Geoff 28:21
yeah, I didn't. I didn't think about it from the security perspective. It's just love. Like, I found Facebook. announcing your birthday, and everyone wishing me a happy birthday was just hollow. Because, I mean, you could have 100 200 100 Like any number of Facebook friends. And you know, they all jump on the bandwagon to say happy birthday. it’s doesn't provide anything. It just doesn't mean anything to me. So, no, no offence to people who who like that, but I just don't Okay, but
Georgie 29:01
the other thing is right on Facebook, right companies? Yeah, but back then I just thought like, you have Facebook friends, like, I've never used Facebook, but your friends and you accept them. Right? If I think about it, based on that, like what we were just talking about, I could steal the identity of my partner, you my mom and dad and my brother, like people I know who I've worked with and know their birthdays, because I have that information. But it's just it's it's funny when you think about it, like strangers, obviously. But
Geoff 29:39
yeah, I mean, to be fair, when Facebook was built, and I know that it was built for college people, but when it when it like went fully global. It was sort of like you you only added people you knew Yeah. And they the people that you knew would actually know your birthday. So it was a small group, maybe but then everyone just sort of like added everyone they know. Sorry, they forgot. They forgot that how much personal details there are. At least I did. And I kept Facebook as sort of like a directory of everyone I had ever met. And, and then, if so so basically back to the back to the birthday thing. I'm like, oh, that's like meaningless. And I keep getting notifications about people saying happy birthday to me. I really don't care about random saying happy birthday today, much less my own birthday. So I hit my birthday. I don't know how long ago, but I hit my birthday. And basically anybody who is close enough to actually remember my birthday, or keep it in their calendar, yeah, the only people who say happy birthday. In like messages. Yeah. And I was like, that's, that's that's the limit. That's the limit of like, what? What I'm willing to like? Yeah. Tolerate as a, as a happy birthday. Yeah.
Georgie 31:15
Speaking of, tolerate, tolerate,
Geoff 31:18
satisfied that people are close to me can like, yeah, and then like he's willing to keep track of my birthday. Like, welcome to wish me a happy birthday. But it's like a social network is kind of pushing out a notification to someone, just to wish me a happy birthday. It feels like a machine.
Georgie 31:40
Isn't it is
Geoff 31:41
not a machine.
Georgie 31:42
I was gonna say on the directory thing. You said like treating Facebook, like a directory, had this conversation with a friend of mine. And it's probably a podcast. i Let's say I'm cleaning out. I want to ask you when the last time you did this was cleaning out my phone contacts. And I was like, I don't I have these people there who I have not talked to in years. And I honestly may not talk to you again. But why does a tiny little part of me think that I need to keep that number. Yeah. So just just for context, I have only 70 people. I know that still sounds like a bloody lot I had like at like a few years ago. And my friend said he had like 446.
Geoff 32:35
So I mean, I did it. I actually had done this recently, where I where I just like called everyone that I'm never going to call ever again.
Georgie 32:44
Yeah. How did it feel?
Geoff 32:46
I mean, it. It just didn't dawn on me how many 54 Nice contacts. Yeah, this is including like businesses that I have contacted, like the hospital.
Georgie 32:58
And I think I've only got one business on mine that I like, contact frequently.
Geoff 33:03
Well, I actually had to add them to my which I'm going to start deleting I had to actually add them to my contacts. I wouldn't miss the call. Yeah. Because my phone doesn't like, doesn't pick up caught like doesn't leave.
Georgie 33:16
Yeah, saying yeah, yeah.
Geoff 33:19
So I'll actually start deleting all these hospital contexts.
Georgie 33:23
Live.
Geoff 33:27
Yep. 52 contacts, right. 51. So basically, I'm only invested in people that are Thank you actually messaging may call. Yeah, that I may call at some stage or message at some stage. So yeah, I did this recently. And I don't know how I felt I just ignored my contact lists until I'm like, Oh, this these people are? Who is that relevant to me? Yeah, but you're right. There's still a part of me like, What do I need to call them kind of like, angle
Georgie 34:10
that you want to be able to find? Like, if you did, let's say you deleted one of those people? Would you be able to find them on LinkedIn and contact them? Or something like that? It's like, the phone number. Like why does it fall?
Geoff 34:23
Yeah, probably. The that's also an interesting thing. Because Facebook was friends and work colleagues and then the LinkedIn became the work colleagues slash connections slash piece of shit. Such piece of shit. Also LinkedIn, man, it's got out of hand. I remember I remember when I was like, 499 Did you make Did you
Georgie 34:52
make a limit or is that a limit that they have?
Geoff 34:54
No, no, no. We were at Yeah, I remember
Georgie 34:58
but like did you have a Personal limit of 500? Or is it? No,
Geoff 35:02
I was a goal. Like you're gonna make me like gonna connect with 500 people. It's it's a vanity jumper. But I would I would I have, like said to people who wanted to connect with me via LinkedIn that I won't like, I won't connect with them if they hadn't worked with them.
Georgie 35:27
Yeah. set the bar higher.
Geoff 35:31
Yeah, yeah, it offended some, some of them. Like, why does it offend you? They won't connect with you on LinkedIn.
Georgie 35:37
I think probably in the code bar context, right? Because we were running a workshop for the community. Maybe some people felt like, oh, I want to connect with one of us. Because we'll probably I mean, that one who might want to reach out at some point, like, Yeah, but if it was just if you add, like, I don't know, some other non work related professional related thing, and I don't know, like, if you were meeting up with some Fernando it’s. I don't know. Like, I feel weird. If I added your partner on LinkedIn, that's kind of like, yeah, like, I remember Nick's dad, Nick's Dad told me, he saw me on LinkedIn just pop up because of the what do you call it? Whatever Degrees of Separation action? And in my mind, I briefly thought Why didn't you add me? Like, but I'm not connected with him. Like, why? Yeah.
Geoff 36:29
I mean, the so I think it's been a while now. So essentially, someone at jury duty was like, I want to connect with you on LinkedIn. A if no one's ever been to do you
Georgie 36:42
search for some of those people? Right? Well, you
Geoff 36:47
can't you can't let anybody know who Oh, yeah, fellow jurors. Yeah. So keeping in touch in on the social media platform is probably a no, no. Yeah,
Georgie 36:58
cuz you said you can't like like other people cannot know. Right? You said it's like a legal thing. can't know that you are both part of the same. involved in the same case, like
Geoff 37:09
Yeah, apparently, like if someone asked us how we can't be, by random chance, you can't actually say that you met in jury duty or whatever. Anyways, they can't really control us. And it's been a while since that happened. That's duty happened. So
Georgie 37:27
but you still can't disclose it anyway, whether it's on social media and like if I if I met you and like your friends, you can't tell me.
Geoff 37:37
Anyways, I don't keep in contact with them anyways. But how do you
Georgie 37:42
rap by random chance they also listen to this podcast.
Geoff 37:49
So the reason why I brought this up is because their response was quite interesting. And that they said that. It's it. They basically called me out on my privilege. Yeah. Because I had the privilege of saying no to a connection that would help would possibly help somebody else make connections. So
Georgie 38:14
yeah, I can't remember. Yeah, I remember you talking about it? Yeah.
Geoff 38:19
Yeah. Sounds like that's pretty interesting. Take because with someone who has a small network, connecting with someone who has a bigger network is obviously beneficial to them.
Georgie 38:28
And how will they ever do that? If we're all just, you know, yeah.
Geoff 38:34
I'd never worked with you. So, like, I'm gonna shut you out. But obviously, they actually don't work in us in the same space as us. So I have no idea why they would want my network which is all tech people. But who knows, like connections are weird,
Georgie 38:52
but it's the way that people treat LinkedIn now. Does it even matter?
Geoff 38:58
Like yeah, I don't think Yeah. I don't think it matters. LinkedIn has been a very weird space of like I don't know. Corporate feel good stuff. I don't know. Yeah. Anyways, back to true crime.
Georgie 39:19
Okay, I want to I want to look at that ice cold one or the description because I remember that one.
Geoff 39:25
We were best they were best friends until faithful oops, I didn't want to watch that. Did go.
Georgie 39:35
It was about this girl named Jessica Wong. So who was meeting a friend in a cafe? Her friend ordered a drink for her. And that drink contain poison. A can't remember what kind of poison
Geoff 39:53
until a fateful meeting ended in a shocking death and examination of Jessica Wong says murder child in 2000. 16
Georgie 40:02
Yeah, so allegedly
Geoff 40:04
V heard sorry. Oh, can we add one is Dev V heard? That was a riot. Yeah, I
Georgie 40:11
don't know. It seems like a lot. I don't know if I ever
Geoff 40:17
I don't think I'd watch it because you don't
Georgie 40:19
see it on social media. Yeah. Yeah.
Geoff 40:22
It's basically like, everyone had reels of like, of Johnny Depp and heard it's just the amalgamation of social media I think. Yeah. Watch Jeffrey Epstein. Filthy Rich. Yeah. Yes. It's basically sex trafficking and high powered people don't know Yeah, I don't know. I don't watch much true crime. Except
Georgie 40:53
like a lot of this is like recommended to you like 90% match. I do like we cancelled on Netflix like, months back instead going for like an opt in sort of mentality. That's something you really want watch or plan to watch them or subscribe for a month. And yeah, I think it's like eight month period before it's just like, well delete your data or something like that. So if you care about that, then just come back after us.
Geoff 41:22
Can you browse Netflix without having an account launch? Or I haven't even tried? How do you know when there's something new that you want to watch?
Georgie 41:31
Do I look like I watch stuff with? thing, right? I don't I don't care enough? Like yeah, it grabbed granted like this looking at your screen is then I was like, oh, yeah, this is all very interesting. Like the true crime stuff. But will I actually sit down and watch it does not. Also hashtag ADHD. Now I can say that because I have a diagnosis.
Geoff 41:56
Yeah, to be honest, like, I haven't watched anything on Netflix in a while. Besides like, because I have like, maybe watch parties with people in different in different locations. So Netflix is just a stable, like stable place that everyone has access that Oh, everyone can have access to, to watch stuff together. So yeah, yeah, I recently got recommended a YouTube video with Neil deGrasse Tyson explaining what the 3d three body problem was.
Georgie 42:32
What is the three body problem?
Geoff 42:36
Is it too complicated way in the pot is too late in the pod. Essentially, it's it's related to celestial bodies.
Georgie 42:44
Okay. Not human son. No,
Geoff 42:47
I don't know what this is about. Exactly. But he
Georgie 42:50
mind bending is the category.
Geoff 42:54
Yeah. In this imaginative sci fi mystery series, a group of scientists confronts an otherworldly threat. So apparently, it's like they they explained the concept a little bit in the in the, in this series of movies or whatever. But But yeah, yeah. I if I can condense it to like five minutes,
Georgie 43:18
like a scientific phenomenon?
Geoff 43:20
Yeah. Yeah. It's basically like, rotation, like the way that like, we rotate around the sun, or other celestial bodies rotate in grab, relate relative to each other's gravity. Yeah. So if you have the sun, and you you like the we all know that the Earth rotates around the sun. But actually, maybe I didn't know this before. But the earth actually rotates around. About like a like it's said centre of mass, which is actually offset from the middle, or something like that. So actually, the earth is going around in a bit of a small circle, even in its even whilst going around the sun. Oh, yes. Yes. So So yeah, and then the moon. The moon is going around Earth. Yeah. But that's calculable. Everything. Yeah,
Georgie 44:15
I get it. Yeah. calculator.
Geoff 44:17
So what is what is kind of odd is actually, like, I think they mentioned that Jupiter, is also rotating around the sun, of course. And every now and then Jupiter gets close enough to Earth to pull it away from the sun just a little bit.
Georgie 44:35
So like a millimetre or something. Yeah,
Geoff 44:39
exactly. It's very small, negligible. But yeah, negligible. But it's still there, right? Every now and then we don't actually rotate on the same axis. Because Jupiter pulls us away
Georgie 44:53
for a split second for assemblies happens repeatedly. Like yeah, so does that mean Over time we've moved
Geoff 45:02
it Well, yeah. I mean, no, because they calculated that, actually, Jupiter, Jupiter is kind of like rotating around like the sun, and then it pulls us every now and then. But every time it pulls us, it's actually pulling us from a different direction every time. So actually over time, it averages out. So from the left one time, then it will pull us from the right the second time, and that pulls us from the top left, like over time averages up. And the three body problem is that actually, if you have two celestial bodies that are of similar size, and similar gravity, we're like, and there is a there's like Earth, and then the two celestial bodies. What happens when Earth approaches these two celestial bodies of the same gravity? Which way will it go? Because that's like, that's the problem like that's incalculable. Because you could like the way he explained it was that you could calculate that, in this scenario, it would go straight into the like, straight through them, because like, you have two opposing forces, they're equal, you could go through them. But if you make a slight deviation, then the result is wildly different. Yeah, so it's chaos, essentially. So that's why that's a three body problem. It's incalculable. And it like
Georgie 46:35
as in like, scientists cannot figure that one out. So what does that mean? We don't know, what's actually happened?
Geoff 46:42
What would what would happen if two celestial bodies of the same size? And a one that does that is, like, all of a certain size? What would happen if like, they all rotated around each other? And where we would go, if the gravity was all like, messed up? Yeah. There's also a contained constrained three body problem where they like, if it's if the, if the Earth is significantly smaller than the two big ones, then that's calculable. But okay. But that's a that's a that's a deviation from the original problem. They actually made a like, oh, it's smaller than it's fine. Yeah, like
Georgie 47:29
so they found out stuff around the actual problem like diff like, but they're not the actual problems, I
Geoff 47:37
found variations of the problem. That would be like a stable calculable problem, but like not the problem. I was like, like, they don't know. Yeah, they don't know how stable it would be. If you had like that. The exact problem. three body problem anywhere all day, if that makes sense.
Georgie 47:55
The sun is gonna die. I saw I saw a video just quickly and related. I think it was someone joking about the on Instagrams. It was like a short video joking about the day that like, they received this shocking news from their teacher or something. And the teachers like all of a sudden it's gonna die in like, however many billion years and this person is acting as the kid is like, Oh my God, what do you mean the phone's gonna die? It's like cameras talking to so until like, you know, whatever billion years and we're not going to be here. Having a crisis. Yes, like crisis at eight years old and find out the sun's gonna die.
Geoff 48:36
Yeah, it's like, it's some people see as existential crisis, but we'll be dead anyway. Yeah, it's not our problem. Hey, we
Georgie 48:47
came full circle. We started talking about like, death and then now we're talking about inevitable Well, actually, we don't know that Touchwood that we're gonna have chips in our bodies. Who knows?
Geoff 49:02
The it's like, not our problem. And it's sort of like, I guess that's how we got into the in trouble with the environment. I'm sure environmentalists back in like 1800s was like, this is probably a bad idea. But
Georgie 49:17
we'll keep making plastic. I don't know when plastic is greater. But yeah,
Geoff 49:21
yeah. We'll keep we'll keep carbon fuel and stuff.
Georgie 49:25
But then there was Shinobu.
Geoff 49:28
Yeah, we fucked up
Georgie 49:31
as a as a human race. We keep doing.
Geoff 49:36
I'm sure. I don't even know me. Yeah, I'm sure like a couple 100 years ago, or maybe even 300 years ago, someone somewhere said this is probably a bad idea, like making cups out on lead. They probably thought that someone thought out there. This is a bad idea. And then they were shoved aside by big corporation. And like 1000s of people dying from lead poisoning. And then And yet, now we're here where we've eroded the the earth and there's probably no turning back. Yeah. Do you think gloom content warning? We're gonna get doom and gloom? Yeah, I don't know. I don't think true crime really interests me, but it is interesting to hear about, like, in general,
Georgie 50:29
I think it's fascinating. Just I think I think that mind blowing part for me is just what people do and how the fuck did you get away with that? And that's the podcast
Geoff 50:40
did it you get oh, about? Yeah,
Georgie 50:43
just and then it so it's not so much about oh my god, they did the sick thing. It's more like, well, the calculated behaviour I think of how they execute crime. Some of them are just quite. Yeah.
Geoff 50:58
It can either make you interested in the minds or like afraid that anyone can snap.
Georgie 51:05
But then like, if you have the knowledge. I mean, I'd argue that like, maybe it's an educational piece to be like, Okay, now I know how some killers work. I like how their minds look. I can protect myself.
Geoff 51:19
Yeah, yeah, you'd hope until your neighbour knocks on your door now.
Georgie 51:27
Put them in the garbage chute.
Geoff 51:31
God Gone are the days where you I don't know who would actually call their neighbour up to. I mean that we're apartment lovers. Yeah, we don't make friends with our neighbours. So I don't I've never heard of I never thought of asking my neighbour for a cup of sugar. But
Georgie 51:49
maybe I think it just depends where you live. Yeah. I think older people the older generation who might live in a house? Depending I think, yeah, depending what country you live in as well. Would it be okay to be like, hey, I need a little bit of help. Knock on the neighbor's door. Yeah.
Geoff 52:09
But I wonder exactly if if the if this behaviours changed because of how like how much true crime is like available? Like the available how much you can contents variable obsessed people which you crime and that maybe they've become shut in? So like they they don't interact with others? Because
Georgie 52:33
I don't know. I think like they know so because I used to listen to my favourite murder the podcast. And I like even though I watch a lot of stuff I read, I like to read a lot of stuff about murder mysteries and serial killers and stuff. I think the community is people who are actually kind of looking out for each other and not actually scared. I think it actually is just more interesting to like somebody that's like, oh, it's freaky to talk about. It's like, oh, like, this person was like a very, maybe violent serial killer, but I think there's a community right. And it's funny, because I believe, I don't know, like, if anyone's done a survey or whatever, but I think someone's actually figured out that most of them actually young women who are interested in like, True Crime stuff.
Geoff 53:21
Yeah, yeah. Oh, before we go, because 53 minutes, I watched Quiet on set. You watched one Quiet on set. It's that one. It's basically like exposes the shakiness of Nickelodeon, one branch of Nickelodeon that did like the all of that. And The Amanda Show and Drake and Josh and all those kind of popular kids.
Georgie 53:51
Why did they do iCarly?
Geoff 53:55
Was that being the did do iCarly cuz
Georgie 53:58
the girl who not the girl had Cali but like another character, Jennette McCurdy wrote a memoir about and I had some content about how she was treated there, I think, which is not very
Geoff 54:11
so that's all this is basically basically encompasses that and more. So you know, every counts will the certain people in the in the industry and of the time kind of like came out and said hey, we there's like the now adult Yeah, former kids stars kind of kind of came out and talked about how those likes known sex offenders and worked with the kids and, and the abuse of power that the main writer Dan Schneider had and the weird stuff that he requested because like no one can make him angry. So he would ask predominantly female riders to come out and give him a massage.
Georgie 55:03
Yeah, like he was in control. Right. And yeah, yeah.
Geoff 55:07
And the kids were afraid. And this is the parents had to be there, but they found sneaky. Like some of the some of the fan assistants found sneaky way offenders found sneaky ways to tear the kids away from their parents and stuff like that. So it's very eye opening. I don't think we, I mean, it's, I was like, I was like, That's eye opening. And it's really interesting to know about, you know, this type of stuff that happens in industry. Yeah. But I don't think it field anything. Like known.
Georgie 55:51
It just investigated stuff that people kind of we're talking about.
Geoff 55:57
Yeah, I mean, if you if you look into like the the psyche of a paedophile most paedophiles are in the involved with children positions in positions that like that give them access to children. Yeah, it's kind of like obvious to me at least that hey, there's probably some paedophiles working on set like that's like the chances of that are high. Yeah. So when they said, hey, there are no sec, no sex sex offenders is eye opening, because they didn't protect the kids. When they knew that they are sex offenders. Very bad, or like, Nickelodeon is corrupt. And I'm like, Yeah, probably. But yeah, that's generally the gist of the show. So it's just recounting but it's pretty bad. Like I don't to be honest. I don't think kids should be stars. topic for another topic for another day, because
Georgie 56:57
we haven't done we haven't we say we had like, all this time to like, give back to people.
Geoff 57:03
Yeah, we're doing double episodes every time. Anyways. You can follow us on nothing. Well, you cannot the Yeah. Not the social app. No, you can
Georgie 57:17
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Geoff 57:22
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Georgie 57:26
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Geoff 57:45
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